The JOHN Family of Pembrey, Carmarthenshire

 

This page was created 17 February 2007 and last updated 28 April 2019

Etty Thomas was my great great grandmother. She married into the John family then following her husband's death, married publican George Andrews and settled with him in Cleeve, Somerset. Her sister Ruth Thomas married into the John family of Pembrey near Llanelly in Carmarthenshire as did Etty's son Albert Andrews. I am still trying to determine the name of Etty's first husband. I welcome contact from anyone with John or Thomas ancestors thatmight be connected  - Marcel Safier.
First Generation

1. WILLIAM JOHN, occupation Innkeeper.  He married SARAH MORGAN, b. 20 JUL 1783 in Leominster, Herefordshire, (daughter of THOMAS MORGAN and ANN BERT).
    Children:
      i CATHERINE JOHN, baptized 4 JUL 1813 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.
      ii ELIZABETH JOHN, baptized 8 DEC 1816 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.
    2. iii WILLIAM JOHN.
    3. iv SARAH JOHN b. DEC 1822.
      v MARGARET JOHN, baptized 13 SEP 1829 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.

Second Generation

2. WILLIAM JOHN, baptized 22 JUL 1822 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, d. <1902, census 1871, 1881, 1891 at Talbot Inn, Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, occupation Carpenter & Joiner/Publican.  Married 30 JUL 1842 in Parish Church, Tenby, Pembrokeshire, RUTH THOMAS, (daughter of BENJAMIN THOMAS and RACHEL EDWARDS) baptized 10 APR 1820 in Amroth, Pembrokeshire, d. <1902.
    Children:
      i ELIZABETH (BETSY) JOHN, b. 1844 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, baptized 10 SEP 1849 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, occupation Dressmaker.
      ii JOHN JOHN, b. 1846, baptized 10 SEP 1849 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
    4. iii MARGARET JOHN b. 1848.
      iv WILLIAM JOHN, b. 1850 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, occupation Carpenter.
      v GEORGE JOHN, b. 1853 in Llanelly Lance, Carmarthenshire, occupation Tailor.
      vi SARAH JOHN, b. 1855 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      vii ESTHER JOHN, b. 1861 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      viii unknown JOHN.
      ix unknown JOHN.
    5. x ELEANOR JOHN b. 1867.

3. SARAH JOHN, b. DEC 1822 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, baptized 13 SEP 1829 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.  Married 29 AUG 1845 in Capel Als, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, THOMAS ROACH, b. 20 MAR 1821 in Forge, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, (son of JOHN ROACH and ELIZABETH EVANS) d. 6 MAY 1872 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
    Children:
      i JOHN ROACH (RODGE), b. 11 DEC 1845 in Sandia, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, d. 1924.  (1) Married 1866 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, MARGARET THOMAS, b. 23 MAY 1848 in Llwynhendy, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.  (2) Married 16 JUN 1876 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, ANN SAMUEL, b. 1846 in Llangydeyrn, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      ii ELIZABETH ROACH, b. 1846 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      iii SARAH ROACH, b. 18 JUL 1849 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      iv WILLIAM ROACH, b. 26 SEP 1851 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      v ANN ROACH, b. 20 OCT 1853 in Cefncaeau, Llanelly, Carmarthen.  Married 1 MAR 1891, JOHN JONES.
      vi THOMAS ROACH, b. 4 MAR 1856 in Cefncaeau, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      vii EMMA ROACH, b. 21 JUL 1859 in Cefncaeau, Llanelly, Carmarthen.  Married 5 JUL 1888 in Logan, Cache, Utah, JOHN REESE ISAAC, b. 16 NOV 1859 in Aberdulais, Glamorganshire.
      viii WALTER ROACH, b. 10 JAN 1861 in Cwngarnhowel, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      ix DAVID ROACH, b. 14 MAR 1865 in Cefncaeau, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, d. 1865 in Llanelly, Carmarthen.

Third Generation

4. MARGARET JOHN, b. 1848, baptized 10 SEP 1849 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.  She married WILLIAM OWENS, b. 1844 in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, occupation Engine Stoker/Driver.
    Children:
    6. i JOHN OWENS b. 1868.
      ii WILLIAM OWENS, b. 1870 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, occupation Stoker & Engine worker at Copper Works.  He married JANE JONES, b. c.1871 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, (daughter of EDWARD JONES and MARY).
      iii MARY HANNAH OWENS, b. 1874 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, occupation Dress maker.  She married CHARLIES CINDERBY, b. c.1868.
      iv CATHERINE OWENS, b. c.1877 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.
    7. v ALFRED OWENS b. 1879.
      vi FRANK OWENS, b. c.1883 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.

5. ELEANOR JOHN, b. 1867 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, d. 1935, buried in Bristol, Avon.  (1) She married ALBERT EDWARD ANDREWS, b. 30 JAN 1867 in Redhill, Somerset, (son of GEORGE JAMES ANDREWS and ETTY THOMAS) baptized 2 JUN 1867 in Redhill, Somerset, d. 21 MAY 1907 in Redhill, Somerset, buried 26 MAY 1907 in Redhill Churchyard Cemetery, Somerset, occupation Police Constable.  (2) Married 1909 in Axbridge district, Somerset, WILLIAM WALTER PLAISTER, b. 1876 in Battersea, Surrey, (son of JOHN PLAISTER and MARY JANE PRING) d. 192?.
    Children by ALBERT EDWARD ANDREWS:
    8. i FLORENCE ETTY ANDREWS b. 26 JUN 1891.
    9. ii WILLIAM GEORGE FREDERICK ANDREWS b. 24 JUN 1894.
    10. iii ALBERT EDWARD JOHN (JACK) ANDREWS b. 1895.
      iv HORACE THOMAS ANDREWS, b. 1897 in Bristol, Somerset, d. 31 MAY 1916 on HMS "Queen Mary" at sea, Battle of Jutland, buried in Portsmouth Naval Memorial, Hampshire.
      v HAROLD BENJAMIN RICHARD ANDREWS, b. 1899.
    Children by WILLIAM WALTER PLAISTER:
    11. vi LAVINIA ELEANOR RUTH PLAISTER b. 8 OCT 1908.

Fourth Generation

6. JOHN OWENS, b. 1868 in Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, occupation Joiner.  He married MARY A., b. c.1866 in Llandyssil, Cardigan.
    Children:
      i WILLIAM JOHN OWENS, b. 1894 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.
      ii EVAN GEORGE V. OWENS, b. 1896 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire.
      iii ANNIE MARGARETTA OWENS, b. 1897 in Llanelly, Carmarthenshire.

7. ALFRED OWENS, b. 1879 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, occupation Stone Mason.  He married MARGARET WILLIAMS, b. c.1878.
    Children:
    12. i MARY OWENS b. 1907.

8. FLORENCE ETTY ANDREWS, b. 26 JUN 1891 in Bristol, Somerset, d. 2 FEB 197?, buried in Luxulyan Cemetery, Cornwall.  She married JOSEPH THOMAS BREWER HIGMAN, b. 11 OCT 1870 in Luxulyan, Cornwall, (son of JOHN HIGMAN and JANE BREWER) baptized 14 DEC 1870 in Luxulyan, Cornwall, d. 23 JAN 1963 in St Austell Hospital, Cornwall, buried in Luxulyan Cemetery, Cornwall, occupation Postman.
    Children:
    13. i JOSEPH EDWARD ANDREWS HIGMAN b. 30 JAN 1921.
    14. ii MONICA HIGMAN b. 21 NOV 1923.

9. WILLIAM GEORGE FREDERICK ANDREWS, b. 24 JUN 1894 in Bristol, Somerset, d. AUG 1944.  Married 29 OCT 1922 in Theale, Somerset, DOROTHY VOWLES, b. 1895, d. NOV 19??.
    Children:
      i MARGARET ANDREWS, b. 12 MAR 1924.
    15. ii ELIZABETH ANDREWS b. 28 JAN 1928.
    16. iii DAPHNE ANDREWS b. 1 AUG 1931.

10. ALBERT EDWARD JOHN (JACK) ANDREWS, b. 1895 in Bristol, Somerset, d. in Argentina.  (1) He married GERDA unknown, d. in Shanghai, China.  (2) Married in China, GLADYS unknown.
    Children by GLADYS unknown:
      i JENNIFER DAWN ANDREWS, b. in Argentina.
      ii PATRICIA ANN ANDREWS, b. in Argentina.

11. LAVINIA ELEANOR RUTH PLAISTER, b. 8 OCT 1908, d. 1981, buried in Luxulyan Cemetery, Cornwall.  She married SINCLAIR HIGMAN, b. 1901 in St. Austell district, Cornwall, (son of JOSEPH THOMAS BREWER HIGMAN and ANNIE KNIGHT) d. 1978.
    Children:
    17. i MICHAEL SINCLAIR HIGMAN (details excluded).
    18. ii DAVID WILLIAM HIGMAN (details excluded).
    19. iii ROGER KEITH HIGMAN (details excluded).
      iv ANNE HIGMAN, (details excluded).  She married SEREF HAZINEDAR.

Fifth Generation

12. MARY OWENS, b. 1907.  She married RICHARD WILLIAMS, b. 1905, (son of RICHARD WILLIAMS and ELIZABETH DUNN).
    Children:
      i MARY IRIS WILLIAMS, b. 1932.  She married NICHOLAS HART, (details excluded).

13. JOSEPH EDWARD ANDREWS HIGMAN, b. 30 JAN 1921.  Married 1958, ELIZABETH BEST.
    Children:
    20. i GILLIAN MARY RUTH HIGMAN (details excluded).
      ii RICHARD JAMES HIGMAN.  Married 1981, JENNIFER LYNDON.

14. MONICA HIGMAN, b. 21 NOV 1923 in Luxulyan, Cornwall, occupation Registered Nurse.  Married 29 OCT 1946 in St Joseph's Church, Plymouth, Devon, JOHN FRANCIS DOHERTY, b. 1915 in England.
    Children:
      i MICHAEL JOSEPH DOHERTY, (details excluded).
      ii PATRICIA ANNE MARY DOHERTY, (details excluded).  (1) She married WOODS.  (2) She married JOHN.

15. ELIZABETH ANDREWS, b. 28 JAN 1928.  Married 12 AUG 1950, JOHN FREDERICK HOPE-SIMPSON.
    Children:
    21. i STELLA HOPE-SIMPSON (details excluded).
      ii VICTORIA HOPE-SIMPSON, (details excluded).

16. DAPHNE ANDREWS, b. 1 AUG 1931.  Married 5 AUG 1954, DENNIS WICKS.
    Children:
      i CLAIRE HELEN WICKS, (details excluded).
      ii STEVEN NICHOLAS WICKS, (details excluded).

17. MICHAEL SINCLAIR HIGMAN, (details excluded).  He married DELIA WORTH.
    Children:
      i IAN HIGMAN.  Married JUN 1992, SARAH.
      ii ANDREW HIGMAN.

18. DAVID WILLIAM HIGMAN, (details excluded).  He married ELIZABETH.
    Children:
      i NICHOLAS HIGMAN.

19. ROGER KEITH HIGMAN, (details excluded).  He married ANNE CONDON.
    Children:
      i JONATHAN SINCLAIR HIGMAN.
      ii AMANDA HIGMAN.

Sixth Generation

20. GILLIAN MARY RUTH HIGMAN, (details excluded).  She married MARTIN HOUGHTON.
    Children:
      i ALICE REBECCA MARY HOUGHTON, (details excluded).

21. STELLA HOPE-SIMPSON, (details excluded).  She married DAVID SAGE.
    Children:
      i REBECCA SUZANNE SAGE, (details excluded).
      ii GEORGINA RUTH SAGE, (details excluded).


Thankyou to family members Iris McCrohon, Ivy Rundle, Edward Perry, Nora Regan, Monica Higman, Nicholas Hart, Amroth historian Roscoe Howells and via the Rootsweb Carmarthenshire mailing list: Susan Holmes, Julian Sharpe and Sarah Bassett. 
Roscoe Howells has produced several books on the history of Amroth:

"A Brief History of Amroth", 2000.
"From Amroth to Utah", 2001.
"Old Saundersfoot: from Monkstone to Marros.

Local postcards were produced by T.D. Richards of the Post Office & Stores and Squibbs of Tenby & Pembroke Dock.


My English and Welsh family history websites:

The ANDREWS Family of Cheddar & Cleeve, Somerset
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The BUSH Family of Wrington & Cleeve, Somerset
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The THOMAS Family of Amroth, Pembrokeshire and Pembrey, Carmarthenshire
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The JOHN Family of Pembrey, Carmarthenshire
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The PERRY Family of Somerset & Australia
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The SPRAKE Family of Netherbury, Dorset


For correspondence contact Marcel Safier, PO Box 239, Holland Park, QLD 4121, Australia msafier@ozemail.com.au