What caused the three fences to be flattened? Why Vince never sang on the recording? What did they plaster on cars? Who got fat when his wife was pregnant? How did he stack the Ferraris?

Before Mötley Crüe, Vince Neil fronted the band Rockandi with James Alverson on guitar. James first contacted Chronological Crue in November of 1997, advising of a small correction. Now on the 1st May 2002 at 4pm Melbourne time, I finally spoke with James in California about his days playing with Vince in Rockandi and more.

Chronological Crue: James, as you are aware, this web site traces the complete history of Mötley Crüe and even goes back to before the band members joined the Crüe; from their childhoods onwards. You had an association with Vince prior to his days in Mötley Crüe. I want to talk about that today, but before we do that I just wanted to go back on your history a little bit, prior to those days. Are you a Californian by birth?

James Alverson: Yes.

CC: Have you always lived in L.A.?

JA: Yes.

CC: OK. And how did you first become involved in music?

JA: Family. My brother played music and the whole family was involved in the business. My Dad played all kinds of musical instruments.

CC: Any notable bands?

JA: Oh no. Not really.

CC: Just local bands?

JA: Yeh. A family of artists.

CC: It was at Charter Oak High School that you first met Vince Neil after I believe you transferred to that school. Is that right?

JA: Yeh.

CC: And we are told in Mötley Crüe’s book The Dirt that you chose Vince to be in your band because he had the longest hair in school.

JA: He had a good look, yeh. I’d see him in the hallway. I was looking for a singer to put together a band ‘cause I had just moved there. It was pretty much, kind of, a redneck area so there weren’t very many long-haired guys. He had a certain surfer look to him so… I forget how we actually met first. Pretty sure we went to a park across the street from school where we used to all go to smoke our cigarettes and hang out, and he showed me some cheap guitar. Somebody introduced us I think. I can’t remember exactly how it happened.

CC: Right.

JA: But I asked him if he sang and he said, “Yeh.” He had sung in a band called… what was it? Black Diamond I think it might have been. At the time I thought he was just bullshitting me. I thought he was lying. So then we got together at my friend's house in Hacienda Heights, where the bass player I was working with Danny, lived. We brought a drummer Robert Stokes in to play and I could just tell he hadn’t done much singing.

CC: Sure. So was Joe Marks in the band at this stage?

JA: No. Joe wasn’t in the band. Joe didn’t play bass until way after that. He was like a roadie at first.

CC: Right OK.

JA: Actually that first bass player’s name when we first jammed was a guy from my other High School; a guy named Danny Manjee. He didn’t work out for whatever reason. He really wasn’t into it. And then I got another bass player by the name Greg Meeder. He was like the first actual Rockandi bass player. We went through bass players like there was no tomorrow. [laughs]

CC: A bit like Spinal Tap hey?

JA: [laughs] Yeh at least on bass players.

CC: Exactly. So you hooked up with Vince and he came down and had a sing and you could tell that he hadn’t sung too much. What happened from there?

JA: I could tell he could keep a tune fairly decently so I said we were working on a situation to put a band together with these other guys.

CC: And you were planning on playing just covers at that stage?

JA: Oh yeh. I had a plan. The plan was too play at backyard parties and take it from there. But the first plan was to… A couple of years before that there was another band that was quite big in the area and had done quite well and actually I was friends with one of the guys and acquainted with another, and they did really well playing backyard parties. There was nobody doing that. Nobody was playing the right material any more and I had a good idea what to play; what material to play that the people that were going to backyard parties would want to hear.

CC: Sure. I understand you put together a few songs for your first concert at a local prom which were Want You To Want Me by Cheap Trick, Aerosmith’s Sweet Emotion and Smokin’ In The Boys Room.

JA: Um… A prom?

CC: Yeh. I think that’s what it said in The Dirt. It was a local prom that was your actual first concert.

JA: [pauses]

CC: I know it’s going a long way back.

JA: Actually our first gig was in a living room... at Vince’s backyard; at his parents’ house. That’s in the book isn’t it?

CC: Yeh OK. So that’s the classic story where Vince organised this party at his house on a Friday night…

JA: Yeh and his parents were there and…

CC: While his parents were away. Then they came back and his Dad started dancing with a blonde on the dance floor while his Mum started serving some drinks.

JA: Oh they knew we were going to have a party. I’m pretty sure of it. Otherwise I wouldn’t have gone for it. I was a kind of goody two shoes. [laughs]

CC: Yeh OK. So that was your actual first show?

JA: Well, yeh. I really think so. I remember an early gig we played at the high school as a lunch time thing. We did a few high school dances. I don’t remember doing a prom, like where people were dressed up. I could be wrong but that just doesn’t really ring a bell. Mostly what we did was backyard parties because we were so young we weren’t old enough to play a bar.

CC: Sure. So how long did you actually play with Vince before he left for Mötley? It must have been a couple of years at least?

JA: We probably started playing together in… probably ’79 would be my guess. The spring of ’79.

CC: Well Vince’s son Neil was born in October ’78.

JA: ’78? Are you sure about that?

CC: Yep.

JA: I would have guessed October ’79.

CC: No, Neil was definitely born in ’78. I interviewed him for this site and that’s what he told me.

JA: How funny. I’m a year off then. It must have been the spring of ’78 then. Yeah. Spring of ’78 makes more sense! That’s right ‘cause I would’ve turned 18 in February. I wasn’t sure because I know I went through part of the school year… It was like my senior year and I transferred to the new school so it was kind of stupid. But the school I came from was like a bad scene. [laughs]

CC: What school was that?

JA: It was a place called Basset High in East L.A; lots of Hispanic gangs. It was an unhappy place for a little white boy.

CC: OK. So you formed in ’78 and you built up a bit of a reputation playing at these parties.

JA: Oh yeh, quite a bit. We packed ‘em in. It was pretty crazy. We would go and make flyers and give them to kids. We had access to printing at the high school and we would just print out all these… I wish I had some because they were like these really intricate drawings. You know all the Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow art covers?

CC: Yep.

JA: It was similar to that kind of stuff and that’s kind of how that Rockandi logo came about. Kids… they’d do flyers. They made the stuff. Print them up and Vince and I would wander around... We’d cut out at lunch time and take them to all the other surrounding high schools and just plaster them on cars. It worked out really well.

CC: Excellent.

JA: So these parties would just be packed.

CC: Yeh sure. I can imagine.

JA: The people were all be happy ‘cause they’d have a couple of kegs. The kegs were always running out. Charge a buck at the door. It kind of ending up being, where somebody would come to us and want to have the party. They just wanted to have the party and didn’t want to take care of the door. We’d put our own person at the door. We’d just take the door [money].

CC: There’s quite a widely bootlegged five song demo of Rock Candy, apparently from 1979 [Song titles: She’s Cold, I Really Want To Dance With You, Lets Get Rockin’ Tonight, My Girl Waiting For Me, American Kid]. I recently sent you a copy of it and you had a big laugh. I’m just wondering if you can tell the Crüe fans the scoop on this.

JA: I’m very, very sorry. That’s not Vince singing; that’s me. [laughs]

CC: [laughing] And after all these years people have thought it was Vince.

JA: You know what? I never heard about it until… it was you who told me you could download it off Napster or something.

CC: Yeh.

JA: This demo was done in a garage studio in La Verne, California with my brother who engineered it. There was probably only three or four cassettes made after the mix down and I'm amazed how it's made its way around the world. Very embarrassing!

CC: OK.

JA: That’s the funniest thing in the world because… damn! Yeh it must’ve been ’79 because there was two versions of Rockandi. There was a version that just played like the backyard parties and the band kind of split up and then I got together…  At this time, this is where Joe [Marks] entered you know? He was like a friend. He wanted to learn how to play bass and I was kind of a shy guy and never met people easily. So I knew Joe and I liked Joe. He was a funny guy. So him and Robert Stokes and I got together and wrote the songs. I would write songs and just work them out with these guys. I was kind of an inexperienced song writer. We wrote them actually in Joe’s garage or over my house or whatever, and then we did this tape. We played some parties without Vince and stuff. You know I was at the same time, off and on, messing around with this other guy and we kind of got hooked up with this teen scene. We put together this teen band.

CC: OK.

JA: We were getting to go to some cool parties. But there was a lot of weird stuff going on. Vince comes back into the scene… I’m not sure exactly…

CC: So Vince left the band for a while?

JA: Well he and I just split up because we had a difference of opinion. Not a fight, nothing like that. It was kind of almost like a break.

CC: Yeh OK.

JA: He had this girlfriend or something. He was just… To be honest it was probably more me than him.

CC: Sure.

JA: We had a hard time keeping bass players. Every bass player quit ‘cause they didn’t think he was a strong enough singer.

CC: OK. [laughs]

JA: Then there was like, all that New Wave stuff was coming in and I just thought maybe we should be doing more stuff like that, but Vince didn’t want to. So I was writing songs that I wasn’t sure he could sing you know… a lot of weird little stuff. So I was just writing new songs and playing some gigs with these other guys, and I got involved with these other guys. Then that band kind of fell apart then I was playing with these other guys. It was a teen band with all this teen stuff and TV stars and shit. So I thought I could like get my foot in the door. It was out of boredom ‘cause I didn’t really have much creative input on that, that we started getting together with Vince again with Joe playing bass and Robert playing drums and playing some of the songs that Joe, Robert and I had put together. We wrote some more stuff and that was that. That was the Rockandi band that played The Starwood.

CC: Right. And that’s the line-up that’s actually on that demo tape but with you singing instead of Vince right?.

JA: With me singing yeh. It’s basically the Rockandi band without Vin.

CC: Now Rockandi is actually not spelt as in the two words Rock and Candy.

JA: No it was [spells out] R-o-c-k-a-n-d-i.

CC: Yeh, which is something that will come as a bit of a surprise to people again.

JA: We had long discussions about that, Vince and I did, thinking it’d be kind of cool to spell it different.

CC: So how did you come up with the name, apart from the change of spelling?

JA: From the song.

CC: Montrose?

JA: The Montrose song.

CC: Excellent. Did you actually do that song?

JA: Yes, sometimes open our set with it. It’s a cool song. I recently downloaded it off the net. [laughs] I hadn’t heard it in a long time. Hagar’s singing on there, Sammy Hagar. It’s bad [as in good]. Ronnie Montrose is a great guitar player.

CC: LA Guns do a pretty good cover of it as well.

JA: Oh really?

CC: Yeh.

JA: That period, all those LA bands; I didn’t listen to any of them. I was off doing something else and a lot of them were just crappy.

CC: Sure. OK. So Vince comes back to the band and that’s when you start getting bigger and playing the circuit more and playing The Starwood yeh?

JA: It was like, the backyard party band… that band was really, really popular. When we came back together and played the originals it wasn’t the same thing. We were playing clubs. I was just goofing off ‘cause I was doing this other thing, is basically what it was. I was getting to be able to stretch my writing ‘cause I wasn’t getting the writing in that I would’ve liked to with the other thing.

CC: Sure.

JA: Too many chefs know you? The other guys had like big connections and it was kind of like just sitting on the sidelines with my foot in the door of something, but I don’t know what the hell it was. [laughs] We actually had our picture in a teen magazine, Super Teen.

CC: OK. Vince ended up leaving Rockandi. Apparently you were meant to play a party somewhere in Hollywood but your guitarist; you and bass player didn’t show up which left Vince in the lurch. Vince gave you a call and you had said that you had cut your hair short and you wanted to become more of a new wave act…

JA: [laughs] That was in the book?

CC: Yeh!

JA: I have no recollection of that whatsoever.

CC: OK.

JA: The whole thing went down… it was through this whole period while I was doing this teen trip, and then I was also playing with Vince, Robert and Joe. We were writing and playing these cool gigs. So basically I was doing this other trip which I thought would at least get me in the business. The other [Rockandi] gigs were for fun and parties. We’d play gigs all drunk and they were like a lot of fun. I was writing the songs. I was doing everything right; it was like, my band but I was doing this other crap on the side. Vince and his girlfriend were always trying to get me to be more committed to this thing so he’d always say, “What do you think?” and I’d say, “Oh you know, it’s cool but I’m doing this other trip.”

CC: Yep.

JA: So he was a little upset with me that I wouldn’t say the words. Actually I was doing as much as anyone else in the band. I was still doing it. But then the Crüe thing came up and I remember him going, “Hey, these guys are going to pay me money man. Like a $150 bucks a week.” So I go, [laughs] “Buddy! Any time you can make money in this business… they’re goin’ to pay you to rehearse and play gigs? $150 bucks a week?” You know, playing original stuff… I told him to go do it.

CC: Yeh OK. Excellent.

JA: He was kind of pissed off I think ‘cause he wanted to do our trip. I think he did. He wanted me to tell him not to go, is what I thought. But I told him to go because I really thought that was… I was doing my trip and I thought that’d be good for him, to make some money you know? Geez.

CC: Yeh well it was at that stage he was with his girlfriend Leah?

JA: Leah.

CC: Yeh, who was nicknamed Lovey. What was she like?

JA: Oh Leah. Poor Leah. Poor soul. She’s passed away recently. She was murdered. Knife to her… probably a drug deal. She was a space cadet. Good heart. Drug addict. Parents had money.

CC: Vince was working with her Dad at one stage there.

JA: Yeh. Graham Electric I think it was called. Wiring houses. Construction.

CC: So after Vince left to go and join Mötley what happened to Rockandi then?

JA: Well, nothing, just kind of… He and Leah were taking care of all the business end; they were booking all the gigs so that was kind of like the end of it. There was really nothing else. That was basically the end of that and I went off doing my other trip ‘cause that’s where I thought the smart money was. [laughs]

CC: Sure. Well a landmark gig of Mötley Crüe’s was the New Year’s Evil show at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium at the end of 1982 and I believe you were in the band that opened the show that night called The Wigglers?

JA: [laughs] Yep.

CC: Can you tell me a bit about The Wigglers and what you recall of that night?

JA: That was a great night actually! I really enjoyed that. We’d still kept in touch with Vince off and on. Joe did. Joe and I still would talk to him occasionally. Matter of fact, I remember when the band [Mötley] got signed that same week I was at a gas station, USA Gas on Arrow Highway in Glendora area where we lived and I was getting gas. He pulled up to me in his car with some chick and goes, “Hey. We just got signed!” It was like a shock. I go, “Really? Congratulations.” [laughs] But anyways back to New Year’s Evil… we talked. We still talked off and on and he came down and wanted to know if we wanted to open up this show.

CC: Excellent.

JA: Said, “Heck yeah!” Santa Monica Civic in front of… How many does that place hold? Four or five thousand people?

CC: Something like that. Nine thousand I've heard.

JA: Nine thousand? I thought it was only 4500 or something. It was sold out whatever.

CC: Sure.

JA: So I said, “Yeh sure” and I knew their sound guy and it was going to be cool. I thought we were going to get a soundcheck when we got there but there was no soundcheck. We just walked on this big stage. [laughs] We didn’t get our soundcheck.

CC: Was that the biggest audience you’d played in front of?

JA: Oh shit yeah. That was like… that was pretty wild. That was awesome. That was a wild gig ‘cause like, the people were shocked, and they were making all kinds of noise. A lot of the people really were upset that we were there, but some people enjoyed the show. See The Wigglers band was like… when I first heard Green Day… it was a little bit like Green Day and… Spin Doctors. More of that kind of… Apparently it was a little ahead of its time. A little kind of punky, but rock, but pop you know. I’d be singing in punk rock vocals but we had guitar solos so we weren’t like total punk rock. Punky pop rock, but aggressive. It was wild. Joe and Robert played… basically we were like Rockandi with another guitar player; a guy named Jay Lansford who now plays in a band in Germany. He’s been in Germany the last 15/20 years; a band called Gigantor. He’s been in Germany for a long time, but he came into the band and played guitar.

CC: So what have been doing over the years since then, since The Wigglers?

JA: I had a solo project. Trying to beat the doors down of the record companies, you know?

CC: [laughs] Yeah.

JA: Various bites. The Wigglers were actually signed to an independent label called Posh Boy Records who were at that time were one of the big L.A. punk rock labels. They were trying to stretch out into more mainstream things. That all fell through due to the various financial backers. Then a solo artist… What else? The last original thing I did was that Saint James band thing, more like a R&B dance-type trip to be honest. I had some interest.

CC: Right.

JA: I had a production company deal with friends. We put together a nice little demo that created semi-interest but never a full on deal. So now I play in a cover band. [laughs] We're called "Film at Eleven and the Late Breakin' Horns."

CC: Yeh OK.

JA: More money than I ever made in a band. [laughs]

CC: Well it’s often the way isn’t it?

JA: Unfortunately playing people’s weddings and corporate events.

CC: And when was the last time you caught up with Vince?

JA: Oh when he left the band the first time. Was that ’96?

CC: ’92.

JA: No, no, no. Left the Crüe?

CC: Or kicked out.

JA: What, was that ’96?

CC: No ’92. It was just after the Decade Of Decadence album which came out in ’91. It was February of ’92.

JA: That was ’92?

CC: Yep. Exposed, his first solo album came out in ’93.

JA: Oh my God was it that long ago?

CC: Then he was back in the Crüe for the American Music Awards in January ’97.

JA: Is he still in the band? I heard a rumour that he was out again.

CC: Well he’s actually doing some solo shows at the moment.

JA: Yeh he did a solo show locally here. I was going to go see it but I didn’t make it out.

CC: Well he’s got some summer dates coming up, so you can always keep up with the latest on what’s coming up with Vince and the rest of the Mötley guys in the Dates section at my site but he’s just about to head out on a summer tour; on the Rock Never Stops Tour with Tesla, Warrant…

JA: Tesla?

CC: Yep.

JA: All the bands from that era? As a solo project?

CC: That’s it.

JA: [laughs] Well it keeps him busy. So the Crüe’s not doing anything? Apparently their drummer just died.

CC: Yes Randy passed away. They had a memorial for him last night; a concert at The Key Club which apparently went off. Tommy Lee has got his new album coming out in May and he’s got a summer tour happening as well. So Nikki’s hoping to get the band back together for one final world tour with the original line-up to say farewell but time will tell.

JA: So how’s Tommy gonna do that then?

CC: Well he’s got to get his solo stuff done first. He’s got to tour behind this and the plan is to get him back to do this farewell tour. So we’ll see how it all pans out I guess.

JA: How bizarre!

CC: What are your thoughts James, on Mötley and the success that they’ve achieved over the years? Were you a fan of the band?

JA: Oh no, not really. I really wasn’t… We were all shocked when they were signed and they were taking off ‘cause the band, when we first saw them play together, they were horrid. You know, they didn’t play well together and didn’t have any shining musicians. In the San Gabriel Valley where we grew up, there were some just amazing players. I mean, we’re talking world class players. You’re talking the area that Eddie Van Halen came from. There’s guys from that era that were as good, or almost as good, that never… you’ll never hear of. Not to mention Randy Rhoads who was like Southern California’s amazing, amazing guitar player. I remember hearing Rhodes play at the Wood Sound where Rockandi used to play, a small local club, and him warming up. [laughs] Just shock! The guy was just a monster. So this is an era where you had like really awesome singers. Especially at the time when all these crazy tenor singers were singing. It was kind of shocking. So you know, we didn’t really think too deep; we didn’t get it, but the crowds and people were kind of into that trip. They had the look and that attitude. It was just time for that I think.

CC: Yeh.

JA: I really didn’t think they wrote any great songs until I heard the Dr. Feelgood album and I go, “That’s really good!” I remember Vince brought over Shout At The Devil and I just thought it was like a typical type rock tune. He came by my house to show it to me and I don’t even know which album that was on, but comes driving up and goes, “Man, you wanna hear our new album?” This is their second album?

CC: Correct. Second album.

JA: And he played it and I was like, you know, “That’s cool” and I was thinking, “Gosh. That’s kind of weak.” [laughs] I mean, I wasn’t doing that kind of music at the time and… well what do I know? The sound production was good. It sounded good but I wouldn’t have paid for it. But when they released Dr. Feelgood I thought it was good. I thought it was real good. I was impressed actually. That’s a great song.

CC: Yeh.

JA: I thought Girls, Girls, Girls was funny too. I thought that was kind of funny. That was a fun little tune. To be honest with you there might be other songs that I like too but I never really listened to them. It’s not like he gave me free records or anything you know? [laughs]

CC: Sure. Cool.

JA: But I never asked so.

CC: Ah exactly. Yeh it’s just one of those things. So much happens over the years, it’s pretty hard to keep in touch with your old buddies.

JA: Yeh I just got so busy on this trip. There’s always something going on. I went to his house after he had got kicked out, to write; to write with him. We got together to write. That must have been ’92.

CC: ’92 it would have been, yep.

JA: Because it must have been right after my first daughter was born… No it can’t have been ’92. Are you sure about that? I was thinking it was like ’96 because our daughters were about the same age. Oh maybe it was. Maybe they had just been born ‘cause I remember making jokes with him about... I go, “Did you get fat when your wife was pregnant too?” He goes, “Yeh, still trying to get rid of it” and we were like laughing how about how you get fat when your wife is pregnant. [laughing]

CC: Yeh OK. It would’ve been ’92.

JA: He was living in Chatsworth in a gated community up there. So I went up there… Nice sized house and stuff. I just remember being impressed by all the cars. He had Ferraris. Four of them stacked up with those little lifts. One on top and one on bottom.

CC: Awesome. Far out.

JA: That’s what I would’ve expected of Vince though because he was always into cars.

CC: What were your thoughts on The Dirt? You’ve read a copy of it?

JA: I didn’t read it all. I just kind of like glanced through it. My wife made me buy it of it ‘cause there’s a picture of me in it. [laughs]

CC: Page 58.

JA: Yeh. I kind of like glanced through, but I have it.

CC: It’s an interesting read. I recommend you have a sit down and have a read.

JA: There’s some parts that I thought were kind of like… like where Vince mentioned about the backyard parties and like calling the cops… Some of that stuff was exaggerated a little bit.

CC: OK. [laughs]

JA: But I would’ve expected that. I don’t think that ever really happened. It may have happened once because we played this party; Rockandi played this party down on a street called Puente in Covina and it was just insane. There were so many people there that all the fences in the backyard on all sides of the fence, like three fences, were flattened ‘cause there were too many people.

CC: [laughing]

JA: People had fallen through the roof on the garage which was in the back part of the house, and people had broken into some of the houses next door and so it was just like… This party was over and there was like thirty sheriff cars lined up and they were pissed.

CC: Wow.

JA: You know it was like the beginning of the end of backyard parties in Covina ‘cause I remember thinking, “You guys were mad.” There were parties we played after where the cops beat up people. I remember Robert got taken to jail one night. I remember the cops just came up to us on the back porch where we were playing and threatened to stuff our equipment in the trunk of their squad cars. It was like, “We were just hired.” Pretty scary suckers.

CC: OK. Wow. Well, that’s pretty much all I wanted to cover I think James, unless you've got any other cool stories that you’d like to share with the fans?

JA: No. There’s so many weird little things that come to mind. I can’t think of anything else now.

CC: That’s cool. I know it’s late.

JA: I always think about them afterwards. Like when I did the VH1 thing [a show being produced called Driven] I was like, “Oh we never even talked about this” but they have their own little agenda they wanted to come across you know. That’s what scared me after I left. I was like, you know what, I may look like a big asshole on this thing.

CC: Right OK. Depending on how they chop it all up?

JA: Depending on how they cut it they can take stuff out of context and I was thinking, “Maybe I shouldn’t have done this” ‘cause I was kind of tossing around not agreeing to do it as I was a little worried about… not that anyone’s ever going to know me or see me again but, you know, I have kids! [laughs]

CC: Sure. How many kids have you got?

JA: Two. Two beautiful little girls. God’s little dirty trick [still laughing]

CC: Excellent. Alright James

JA: Have you been to the States?

CC: No, not yet.

JA: You’ve never been to the States?

CC: I’ve never seen Mötley Crüe perform live.

JA: No!

CC: [laughs] Yeh!

JA: No way!

CC: Yep. They came to Australia here once and my wife was pregnant at the time, but I was still thin, and we couldn’t make it. I’ve never been off this big island mate.

JA: That is bizarre. I’ve seen them a few times. [laughs]

CC: OK. Whereabouts? What years were they?

JA: Where did I see them?

CC: Yeh. In the early days was it?

JA: I saw them play at Pookies. I saw them at The Whisky on a couple of occasions. I heard them play at the New Year’s Evil. Most of the times I saw them play they weren’t very good. I saw them play one time at The Whisky A Go-Go; they were amazing. I remember thinking the band played real well together and the crowd was theirs. It was kind of around the time they got signed. A lot of energy… David Lee Roth was there that night and the band played well. They did an amazing job. It was like, “OK I can see that now” as I’d seen them other times and I was wondering, “Yikes!” They had a hard time getting the bugs out. But you know, with all the stuff, you get all this stuff going on inside your head and you kind of pull it off.

CC: Yeh.

JA: I remember at the New Year’s Evil show they had… I remember walking by their dressing room, getting some stuff or something, and there was this argument. Everyone was in a big fight.

CC: [laughs] That sounds about right.

JA: And I’m thinking, “Uh… a happy little family there.”

CC: Excellent. Alright mate. Take care and we’ll keep in touch.

JA: OK. Take it easy man.

CC: Cheers. Thanks James.

JA: Bye Bye.